Do you have ready access to your child side? Do you often create just to amuse yourself or do you find you are primarily motivated and maybe get lost in your obligations to other people or a sense of being of service to other people and the betterment of our world in general?
As you’ll hear, none of these approaches are exclusive of each other but sometimes the balance between taking care of ourselves and taking care of others, attending to our needs in order to better attend to others, kind of gets out of whack. So today, for this first podcast of the year, I’m creating a tradition of having my first guest ever, Christi Friesen, return for a bantering conversation about these questions. Come along and consider where you are on that spectrum of having a good balance of self-care and self-amusement while caring and fulfilling obligations for others in your life.
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Transcript
Christi –
You get to the point where your materials are creating with you. Is like. You’re just kind of letting them. Tell you where they. Want to go so when you can make yourself do that with creating little worlds or. Zen garden that. That door creates you to be I love that…
Sage –
Hello all my free spirited and eager creatives out there. Thank you for joining me on the sage. Arts Podcast this is sage and. We are here for the first episode of 20. Before, I’m really excited to get back to regular schedule spending time with you every week after the. End of last year. Being a little wonky to say the least, so this would be great. The fates, however, have already been trying to mess with my schedule. My mother-in-law ended up in the hospital this week. She’s she’s OK. It’s a broken hip thing, she. Had a very successful surgery, so she’s got a few months of recovery to look forward to, but my father-in-law love. Him. But he’s not good. Being on his own. So Brett, myself and Brett’s brother have been taking care of the both of them for the last five or six days, while literally all the rest of the family was out of town. So hopefully now they’re all back and it’ll calm down and the assistance will be spread out a little bit more. But I guess that. Just goes to show that there is no guarantee that there won’t be odd weeks coming up. I mean, I have a grandbaby on the way. There’s a family reunion. I have my regular trips to Colorado to check in on family, and my old house that is home to some dear friends of mine. There’s people in Maui. I gotta go check. You know, so not to mention the art and the books to finish, right. So there’s, you know there’s stuff, but we’re getting on this ride and we’ll work it out as it comes. But in any case, I was thinking, OK, how do you start out the new year as we head into my second full year of podcasting and I came up with. They I don’t know. It’s a kind of weird idea, but I’m weird, so you know. I just thought it would be great to have some kind of first episode of the year tradition and since last year the first interview I did was with my dear friend Christy Friesen, and we had so much fun and she is one of the people, along with Brett that inspired the format and the kind of content I wanted for this podcast. So I thought, what if I? Just bring her on again. I don’t think anybody be bored by hearing from her again. She’s just such a great guest. So I talked to Christy and she was game. So we are going to have Christy Friesen on with us in. Just a minute. It’s going to be a little bit different since I interviewed her last year, I thought I would just let you all in on one of. Our kind of typical. Conversations. So we picked a topic and we are just going to blather about it and it gets into some really interesting possibilities for you, some fun new possible projects that we’re going to give you ideas for and. Contemplation about where we are in this crazy, heavily connected, super busy world of ours and how we take care of ourselves now normally at this point I do a little bit of business stuff, but I. Don’t have a lot of business so. I do have one shout out. I’d like to give to Dave and Kate Goff, who they’re not visual artists. They’re primarily musicians and writers, and Dave is my web guy. So, but apparently they are regular listeners of the podcast and are getting a. Lot out of. It I just want to thank you so much for chatting with me. It was really enlightening to hear your take on the episodes. I’d love to hear from anyone. You listeners anything that you have to tell me, any ideas, especially stories about things that you’ve been through there, similar to the kinds of subject matter that we’re talking about or just whatever, because I just love hearing from you any kind of communication is welcome, good, bad or otherwise and you can reach out to me by going to the sagearts.com website. Just click on the contact page or reach out on Instagram. Facebook, through the direct messaging or comment on posts on the Sage Arts podcast pages there. There’s also buttons on the website on the home page for donations if you want to give back and support this little endeavor, there’s buy me a coffee or PayPal donations. That’s a little ways down the homepage at the sagearts.com website, there’s also a button on that homepage to sign up for the newsletter. If you want to get regular notices of what’s coming out and any of the little extras I put out or exercises or images or anything I do. For the particular episodes that need that kind of support and the only place really to. Download them will be. Through the newsletter cause it’s the only. Kind of easy format for me to give you access to it, but I’ll also post images on Instagram when possible. They’re just not downloadable, so all of these items are LinkedIn, the show notes or description sections of the pages from which you are listening to this podcast. So you can go there as well. Business side let’s get on to our fun and info packed conversation today. The subject matter is focused on tending to ourselves as well as our creativity, which is I think, a really great way to start out the year. And Christine, I thought you would like to eat shop in on our thoughts on the matter because of something that both of us did simultaneously. Separately, like hadn’t talked to each other because apparently we’re both trying to find ways to recapture our creative child like Spirit and also tend to ourselves as. Creative. So if you want to have questions in mind as you listen to our discussion, I think it comes down to asking whether you have ready access to your child side. And do you do creative work for yourself? Like to amuse yourself or do you find you’re primarily motivated and maybe get lost in your obligations to others or a sense of being service to other people? For the betterment of the world in general, as you’ll hear, it’s not that these are exclusive actions, but sometimes in the balance between taking care of ourselves and taking care of others, attending to our needs in order to better attend to others. It kind of gets out of whack, so maybe just consider where you are on that spectrum of having a good bounce of those kinds of things in your life. OK, let’s go talk to Christy. And as I alluded to, this is going to be kind of a Co host situation, kind of like what I do with Brett. So you get to hear us do. Our thing, which is a lot of talking. But for those who aren’t familiar with Chrissy or didn’t hear the first episode of 2023, Let’s have The lady herself tell us a little bit about who she is and what she does. Welcome back. Christy, say hi to the people.
Christi –
Look right. First of all, it’s very nicely. Called the lady. I don’t get that too often. So I’ll take it, that sounds perfect. But yeah, I I I love being over here with you and chit chatting. We have always so many clever, interesting fact. Yeah. My name is Christy Breeze and obviously and I am an artist. AW, weirdo. Chocolate and other exotic flavor. Man and just all around good. Girl so or according to the Sage of lady. So that’s good to know. But yeah, I primarily consider myself artistic and.
Sage –
Just today.
Christi –
Yeah. And so. That means I not only make, but I like to share that making progress with everybody. Yeah. So yeah, that’s been my life for the last several decades. I can’t think of anything else. Oh, I live.
Sage –
In Maui. Oh yeah. You live in Maui. And I am in a turtleneck with a sweater and a jacket on, and she is in the. Little tank top, like barely little stroppy thing. She’s just like, like what?
Christi –
Right. And I I turned. Off my air conditioning. So just so you.
Sage –
Ohh Wow wow is that is that cold, huh?
Christi –
Know that’s what I’m dealing with over here. But you know, I love love being here as a creative. My brother lives here. I moved here about four years ago. My studio just. It’s a little room. So my studio sounds really grand, but it’s actually my bedroom that I roll out of bed and directly into my computer or workstation. But it’s got a big window that looks right out at Mount Haleakala, which is just, I mean. Gorgeous. I looked through my little working and then out onto the mountain and then on the other side of our little condo here and the ocean. So it’s a beautiful place to be a creative person. Yeah. And yeah, it’s just fantastic. Everything about my life now is all creativity. I talk to people online. I do courses that I. You know, create and have memberships you. Know all that kind of stuff. Is that the beautiful life? I like it.
Sage –
Yeah, yeah, I go to visit her in Hawaii and it’s like.
Christi –
I mean we we.
Sage –
Go and check out stuff, but it always seems to be based around like creativity and making things and the cool things that we find that we can use to make things with and.
Christi –
I know it’s cute. It’s beautiful. Yeah.
Sage –
Then going to getting the coffee to. Help us keep up. So we can make all the things. Yeah, like that.
Christi –
Yeah, awesome. Yes, exactly.
Sage –
So yeah.
Christi –
You’ll you’ll actually.
Sage –
Kind of get to, I think. Hear us in our native format.
Christi –
Yes, our natural setting, right?
Sage –
Because we’re kind of it’s instead of being a straight up interview this time I’m trying a little Co hosting with Christy and maybe some other people. This year I’ll be doing that with as well because. I have so. Much fun with it, with Brett, because there’s. Back and forth I mean. I I do a lot.
Christi –
Love it? Yeah.
Christi –
Of the talking.
Sage –
So I thought I’d see what happened if I brought Christian, because Christy usually does most of the talking.
Christi –
Yeah, I’m good at that, you know. But I love. The cohost idea that I can like not feel like I’m having to answer questions, but that you and I are having a conversation that other people are vicariously listening in and feeling like they’re there with us. I think most interview situations, the good ones are like that anyway, but I feel like this is nice to kind of jump into that base right off the bat.
Sage –
I would like that too, yeah. Feel free to ask me questions and I’ll relay some of my stories and then you release some of your stories. And yeah, so since we haven’t chatted, at least where people can hear us for, yeah, why don’t we talk about the past year? How was your 2023 creative lagging?
Speaker
I like that.
Christi –
Right now, they’re a wonderful place of guy. I feel like for me, 2023, it’s been really interesting. I mean, I mean, here in Hawaii, what could go wrong with that? So let’s just say that I haven’t had to deal with any of those things that so often happen in life that really can make it a challenge. So it’s just been kind of exploring what the. Now I want to be when I grow up right, which is the right thing to do, right. And I’ve I’ve come to the conclusion that what I wanna be when I grow up. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because I think they had it right when we were kids, right? You jumped out in the mud and you caught bugs and you ran around. And other people had food ready for you when you got my.
Christi –
We’re kids we didn’t know.
Christi –
House it’s I love that ideal. So my I think my 2023 has been pretty glowing. This whole weird thing and you and I’ve talked about this so often this weird relationship when you’re a creative kid who. Creative also as the livelihood, thoughts like your personal life and your private life and your business life are all intermingled, and they’re just all messed together. That’s a weird space to be. So I think we both were sort of exploring that this past year.
Sage –
Yeah, because there’s a whole balance thing that we are constantly trying to work out, but it’s like you never find a perfect balance because stuff just keeps getting thrown into the mix, you know, so yeah. So for me this last year, I had a weird couple weird situations.
Christi –
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Sage –
But I mean, I did the podcast. I was still trying to write. I was getting back into painting and then all this stuff happened on the House. And then Brett got so busy at work that. I had to. Do all the things and so that was difficult. And then it was just a weird thing too, because either I was doing the podcast and trying to grow it and grow the audience and maybe trying to.
Christi –
Ah, yeah. Yeah, that’s right. Right, right.
Sage –
Monetize it. And I had to choose something, so I chose not to work on the things that would monetize the podcast, which is weird, but I had to let go of the idea. After being a business person since my first business was in 1999. To not try to make money at what I was doing. So yeah, yeah, it was very strange. It changes the whole life work balance thing and then also rediscovering things about yourself as you go through this process. Like one of the things that I kind of knew but didn’t quite see how clearly it was the thing for me was I have a really hard time switching gears.
Christi –
That is weird, right?
Sage –
So if I’m doing one thing even during the week, the whole of the week, I kind of just want to be in the same mode, you know? So when all this stuff in the.
Christi –
Interested. Yeah.
Sage –
House started happening. And why? I was very irregular about the podcast the last couple of months was because it was very hard for me to go from all the house fixing plants, researching and whatever stuff I was doing. To sit down and write and do the podcast and things. Like that so. I’m like, I want to forgive myself for not being that perfect person who could do everything in the same day.
Christi –
Like, that’s a mouthful right there. I love that you said that because I think so many of us are unpacking. This concept of just what is expected of us, right, and especially if you are entrepreneurial, Mm-hmm in the arts, I think even more particularly the the expectations we have on ourselves are just nuts. Yeah, because we’re we’re expected to simultaneously be completely and without any pullbacks created. Yeah. At the same time as running the business and they’re two different brain functions on the festive days. If your brain is functioning, so to try and continue to be going back and forth and doing it, that gets harder and harder. And I think if we get older, maybe you get even a little bit more challenging just because of the demands of, you know, you have less energy or you have less brain space or.
Sage –
Right.
Christi –
Whatever it may be, maybe less power. Yeah, yeah.
Christi –
Or life gets.
Sage –
More complicated. You know, the kids leave the house, but I don’t know. I think my kids need more. Things from me now than. Then then, since I don’t know, maybe since they were. Tiny, you know. So it’s yeah, things just get complicated and and that’s constantly happening. So our work life balancing is an ever changing thing that we’re trying to figure out.
Christi –
It is. Yeah, I know that’s been on my brain. You know, you, whenever you’re on talk about this, we are both having that on our brain constantly about how do we disassociate the need for a monetary conclusion to validate the crew. Processed at the same time of being people who need to do at least some aspect, maybe me more so than you at this point of making a living at it.
Sage –
Right, yes.
Christi –
It’s just a. Weird thing, right? Like my brain and my heart rebel at the idea of any of it needing to make any money, but my really my credit card companies feel like I should be paying them on a regular basis.
Speaker
Right.
Christi –
I don’t even know what that’s about. I tried. To tell them I’m. An artist, but they don’t seem to take that as a thing, though ever.
Sage –
This part of the conversation kind of dovetails into the subject matter that we’re kind of get to today too. So 2023 is about the work life. Balancing and maybe that’s why the two of us ended up doing kind of the same thing or working on the same idea at the end of this year so.
Christi –
Often than not, which freaks me out someday.
Christi –
Wait, we’re so.
Christi –
It’s like you’ll. Tell me what you’re doing it on me like that. What are we also doing? It’s very cool. Yeah, but still feels topically. We’re often on this same kind of wave pattern.
Sage –
Yeah, but we we’re doing in very different sizes though this time, so. Don’t know and it. Might be that the. Whole world is on a certain wave pattern cause you notice like people come up with like some of the same ideas and artwork all at the same time.
Christi –
Yeah, that’s very likely too, actually.
Sage –
But in the. At least so in that case. Yeah, I was working on the backyard over here at the fair and home. Said and in one area I decided we shouldn’t have anything for various reasons. And I thought it’d be kind of cool to do some kind of like rock garden thing. And then I thought it’d be nice if you didn’t have to, like, put it together and just have it that way for the next 20 years. We’re like, what can we do to make it changeable? And then I started thinking about kind of like Zen Gardens but not Zen Gardens. I love the natural art that people do where they’re. They make arrangements of rocks or leaves or twigs. Or whatever and I thought wouldn’t it be cool to have an area? Where I could just put. Rocks and bits and bobs and doodads and little vessels and and anything that might work together that can be arranged or rearranged either by other people that are. Visiting us so kind of like. A rock gardens and garden playground.
Christi –
So you telling me that I just thought what a great idea.
Sage –
I love that idea. But then you told me about a thing that you’re doing. I’m like, you’re basically doing the same thing on a very small scale. So tell tell us.
Christi –
Yeah. Well, isn’t that so?
Sage –
What is that you came up with?
Christi –
Wild again, like I’m always mind blown when we do these sorts of things in the same genre, so to. I yeah, I have a small back lanai, so it’s like basically a balcony. And so I’ve made as much little garden as I can out there. But I thought I want these little worlds too. Like they were talking about. So I got a bunch of little dishes, just little condiment, like Japanese condiments. And I just started making little worlds out. Of them, there’s. One that I’ve got like some black band. In it and then I had this little castle that I had built at the project or something, and I had broken it off of this thing. So there was just the. Castle lying around. I don’t what if I just stick this in the van. I put a couple of crystals in here. Hey, that’s cool. And then same. Thing, add another little dish. I put the Moss in it. Little bits of. Bird feathers that have floated down from Milan eye and added some nifty little metal orb that I had collected them along the way and I just thought, you know, this is really fun to create a little dish that you can constantly. Use it to. Showcase either some treasures that you have or turn it into just like a little world for a while and. So like you can’t get sick of it and you can make a different one. I don’t know why that is so fun and satisfying, but we were telling each other this like, me, too. Only minors. I mean, on my desk.
Sage –
Like, I mean, just kind of thinking, yeah, yeah. And the thing that struck me? Is that we were both. Working on something that didn’t have a marketed end game. You know, we weren’t doing this to build something. I mean, I think you. Have some ideas? Of sharing this idea with other people that will be marketed, but the whole idea of doing a piece of artwork that is temporal and isn’t going to be sold, you know, and that’s wholly yours. So when you’re doing something like that, you don’t really have to take in.
Christi –
Right. Yes, yes.
Sage –
All the usual considerations of ohh is assailable. Which market is this going to be for? How is the construction and so it’s durable and whatever format or right form it’s going to be used or hung or, you know shown. And I think because.
Christi –
Right. Right, right.
Sage –
Temporal you don’t have to think about all the outside influence stuff that we do like. What will people think of this? How will they see this cause? It’s really just for you. You do it for yourself and you’re doing it in that moment and it’s only for that moment. So it’s a very temperable, changeable art that I think is a little less risky. For a lot of. Us to to not feel that how this is going to be judged or whether it’s going to be successful in our market if we’re. Selling artists. So I think it just takes away a lot of the pressure and the stress that we have while we’re working. That may keep us from getting into flow or keep us from enjoying it as much. And now then the question is why is this useful or important and why are we drawn to it? No.
Christi –
Yeah, I think it goes back like you and I were talking about, like being a kid again. Is that what? You did when you were a kid. You build things out of your blocks and you make little tracks and you set up these things. And like for me, I don’t know about you. And you were a kid, but I spent so much more my time getting everything ready to play. You know, you had to make sure you had the rocket base was squared away in the area where the astronaut came. And, you know, and then there’s the dressing rooms in case they had to go to a party. You know you. Have to set up the whole thing, so actually. Playing with your astronaut. Toys. Not as exciting, getting us the whole face. Much more exciting.
Speaker
Right.
Christi –
But maybe yeah. Well, that’s very part of being a child of that. Just we will imagine. Agent nobody is responsible at the end of the day. You know you go inside for dinner and hopefully you pick up your toys afterwards. I mean, like there’s nothing that you gained except with the experience. Maybe that’s what we’re looking for. Is that experience more than anything else?
Christi –
Yeah, exactly.
Sage –
Exactly. And I think that’s the value is that we as artists, especially if you’re working artists, are constantly no. Matter how hard. You try somewhere in the back of your mind there. Is. What is this for? You know, how can I make money?
Christi –
Yeah, yeah.
Sage –
On it or you know who am? I going to sell. It to or are people going to like it? Like even if you’re not a selling artist, but you do post things, the influence of what are they going to think on Instagram? If I post this, who’s going to like this? How many likes am I going to get? Whatever you know, those kinds of things.
Christi –
Right.
Sage –
I think for most of us, eke in while we’re doing stuff and so something like this. It it doesn’t matter. I mean, yeah, you could take a picture of what you did and post it so people might think of that, you know, but if you just have something that you can just play around with without any end game, without any particular outcome other than I am in this moment. And when you think about that, that’s that’s the essence of mindfulness and like, mindfulness. Patient is trying to get you in the moment and if you meditate, the most common thing is to be focused on your breath, so you’re just focusing on one thing so that you can calm everything down and then just get your brain on kind of one track. And for me, working on this kind of thing, my thing in my backyard is not made yet, but we’re in the process of making it. But I’ve done that.
Christi –
As familiar.
Sage –
Kind of thing, just like with polymer clay, it’s very easy just to get all your scraps together and just muddle around as a precursor to working. More serious pieces because I don’t have any expectations out of the stuff I’m mucking around with beforehand, but it gets my brain in that mode and I get into flow when I get kind of lost and there’s no real risk other than nothing comes out of it. Sometimes something does come out of it and end up making a usable piece out of it. It’s just kind of fun, but I don’t have that expectation.
Christi –
Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, that’s not your goal.
Sage –
Yeah. So I can be focused on. One thing like instead of the bread. It’s the malleability of the polymer and just molding it, and that’s all I’m focused on and you get into flow and it’s really good for stress and it’s really good for anxiety levels and your brain health and. All this stuff.
Christi –
I mean that absolutely my preferred form of meditation is being in flow state. When you’re art, I mean, I can sit and do the the normal traditional meditation, but quite frankly, I get bored of it. But when I’m in a flow state, I feel like I’m in the same brain thing I am.
Sage –
Right.
Christi –
Completely in the moment you get to the point where your materials are creating. With you, yeah. A little bit something simple like making a little world is like you’re just kind of letting them tell you where they want to go, which is an amazing thing as it created that people who don’t tap into that creative part of them don’t really know what that means. But anybody listening, who is creative and has been in that moment. Where you are almost like disconnected from the thought process of making and you are just flowing in it and that’s.
Sage –
Right.
Christi –
People play and and it’s playtime. It’s fun, it’s just everything. You want your life to be for those moments, you know, so.
Speaker
To me.
Christi –
Yeah. So when you can make yourself do that with creating little worlds or Zen gardens or, you know, there’s so many ways you can get to that state. But if that poor creativity, I love that.
Sage –
Yeah. Isn’t it funny how? And it doesn’t matter what material is in fact, doesn’t matter what creative form it is. People will say something about the material took over. The wood told me what to carve my characters and my stories ran off and did their own thing. And you know, like we always like see another entity in.
Christi –
Those themselves, yeah. Process. Yes, exactly like you stepping back and observing it happening, which is like you become the observer of it, which is really an interesting thought.
Sage –
But it’s obviously it’s not the inanimate material or the. Words or whatever, they’re. Doing it’s part of your brain. That you don’t usually have access to. That’s off doing its own thing. It’s back there, though, you know that’s subconscious or that like, next layer down that has is working in the background all the time and you don’t know it. So when you’re working with these materials and all of a sudden it. Seems like they’re doing. Their own thing, that’s really. That other part of your mind, and it is doing it.
Christi –
Well, you know, they say everything is energy, right? Everything is vibration and energy and frequencies. And if you buy into that idea that everything is energy with, you know, physics seem to imply that that may be so in the way when you are matching your energy to sort of the creative vibe of the universe, you’re just kind of in the same frequency.
Christi –
There’s. Yeah, there’s.
Sage –
Some there’s some things about that.
Christi –
As all things that are. Me. And then you are just flowing in that space for as long as you’re matching your energy with that. And then just things happen and it’s interesting. It’s fun, and as long as you are in that brain energy space, then things just create and thou bless you. And that’s very cool. And and like you said, it could be anything, it could be dancing or singing or. You know, baking or gardening or any of these things where we’re making something. Happened. Yeah. Like, like, favorite.
Sage –
And I I. Yeah, I’m right. And I really believe everybody needs to do that in some form. I just think as human beings, I think it’s really essential. And I think the things that we’re talking about in terms of these temporal pieces of art really point out the advantages of basically art therapy, you can say, but it is therapeutic whether you’re doing. Start as a business and you know something that you.
Christi –
You do right, right.
Speaker
To pay the bills.
Sage –
But when you’re in that flow state when you’re in that mode, you really do let go of the worries and concerns, and you are really in the moment, which is what pretty much every media. Native type of thing I’ve ever looked into. That’s what you focus on, like trying to just be in the moment and I can get you there and very easily. And you’re right. I meditate as well. But it’s just so hard because there’s 100,000 things I have to do and they’re, like, hanging over my head back here waiting for me to be done on meditation. But in art, no, in art or writing.
Christi –
Right, yeah. Right.
Sage –
Or any of my creative modes I can just I get in and I’m gone. I know what’s going on with the. Rest of the world, you know like.
Christi –
Yeah, but that’s a a strange way of altering like so many people have to go towards chemicals and other kinds of experience that will help alter their mind. And I’m not knocking that one way or the other that I think there’s a place for. All those things, but when you’re creative, you have access to that mind altering state. Whatever you want. I don’t think people really realize how interesting that can be. And a lot of that has to do with letting yourself play and not like, like you said, thinking about what the end result is. What is this for? What is it supposed to be? I mean, if you drop all of that and you just mess.
Sage –
Right. Right.
Christi –
About yeah, you get to these altered states rather easily, I think as a creative, but I.
Sage –
Going, yeah.
Christi –
Love the little. Worlds thing because it is actually like traveling you to a different place that’s very tangible. It’s like I am making this little thing or. I’m putting these.
Sage –
In the world, yeah.
Christi –
Little guys here. I’m making a pond or I’m creating a, you know, whatever is like you’re. Actively creating a different universe for yourself to play in. For a few.
Sage –
I yeah, I I so love the idea. Obviously, we’re both working on it, but I think for a lot of people who have a harder time getting into flow because it’s not always easy for everybody, you know, some like just it takes time to get the rest of our life kind of like, you know. Out of our way, but the less stress you have, the less of external influence that you have, the less fear.
Christi –
Right.
Sage –
Associated with what you’re doing, the easier it is to get into it, cause flow state is accomplished with a challenging activity that is not so challenging as to be frustrating, but that makes you feel accomplished as you do it right. If you can work on something.
Christi –
Right.
Sage –
Like you can make a. Little world out of nothing, out of these few little things and just get into it.
Christi –
OK.
Sage –
And there’s no real risk. There’s no real worries. You can get lost in. And I think for some people who have a harder time to get into flow, this may actually give them the opportunity to do that. So there’s really a real low stress aspect to doing temporal work and it and it doesn’t. Have to be like. What? Christy, you’re talking about with? Our little dishes or. Or big rock. Bed. It could be in anything. It it could be arranging leaves on the ground. Yeah, I do have to insert because I’m such a tree hacker that if you are in a National Forest or any kind of protected area, don’t move anything around because you are potentially ruining a small ecosystem like.
Christi –
Yeah. Yes.
Sage –
When people like are. Are building Karens in national parks and stuff. They’re literally destroying very fragile ecosystems for very small. Animals and microorganisms and all that kind of stuff. So and any other protective places. Just be careful. About doing this kind of thing but in. Backyard with the stuff you’re gonna take and. Throw in the trash anyways.
Christi –
Right then that that’s control.
Sage –
Your rocks, your twinks. Whatever. Go. Out there and you can just, you know, move things around and make patterns and decorations or make faces. Whatever speaks to you, you know, maybe maybe you do that with your, I don’t know, your yogurt in the morning. They. Like do little. Designs with the fruit in it. I don’t. Whatever.
Christi –
I mean that actually could be so much fun and you could just say ohh. I’m gonna just share my.
Sage –
Boot story every morning and you think about that. That’s the kind of thing a child would. Do you know this kind of thing I did? Just gonna arrange my food. I want something’s in here, you know.
Christi –
Yeah. Playing with it. Yeah, I mean. You watch kids. Like I’m going, I go down to the. Ocean almost every. Evening, my brother and I will go down about an hour before sunset and we got a favorite. Will be. And we just get out in the way and we watch the sunset from the ocean. But one of the fun things besides watching the sunset, is watching all. The people on. The shore because you’ve got all the kids running around. I love watching them make sandcastles because it does not matter how old that hit is, including the teenagers and the young adults.
Sage –
The adults.
Christi –
And the parents? And you start playing in the sand and you just decide I’m making something here. That’s it that are done. They are making sandcastle now until they suddenly come back into their reality and go, oh, shoot. I’m a grown person. That I’m covered with sand. But, you know, while until they remember that they are back to being a 5 year old again and they’re just digging and creating powers. And making a. Whole. It’s a beautiful thing to watch.
Sage –
Fantastic classical example of temporal art because anybody who’s. Ever gone to Beach has. Probably done this and you know it’s not going to last. You’re going. To be lucky if you get to finish it for. The way it’s come and. Take it away. And yet everybody goes to the beach and does this. Why? Yep, it’s if we’re not going to get anything out of, we can’t sell it. Most of us are not. Going to take pictures of it? Well, the kids are going to take pictures of it.
Christi –
So it’s so tactile, yeah.
Christi –
But it’s it’s.
Sage –
So much fun. And that’s the kind of thing I. Think maybe we do need to do. More of you know, it’s just get lost in something that doesn’t have any value outside of the process of that moment.
Christi –
I think so too. Yeah, we’ve lived in this like the, you know, and we’re not going to get into the discussion about capitalism, but we live in the society where everything is geared on you being productive and you creating something that has value, right. And I’m not saying that’s good or bad. All I’m saying is it’s men’s lot of pressure for everything that you do to always have.
Sage –
You know.
Christi –
Either a price tag or a judgment call on it. So if we can make ourselves have a regular habit of doing something every day that makes.
Sage –
Judgment calls me on FIG.
Christi –
That that is temporary and is just to amuse ourselves. I think that would be a really great meditation, a really great practice, a really great thing to help ourselves feel really good about just being us and just enjoying life.
Sage –
I absolutely believe that and I think there are more demands on us now, not in any real, concrete way, but we have all these subtle demands from societal demands like. Being on social media, and I apologize to all of you who are tired of me going on about how. Social media is a problem. But it it. It is wonderful. It is such a fantastic way to keep in contact with people, to see what other people are doing, to really get to understand other people’s worlds. And I love that. But I really have such a hard time with the fact that because we see so much of what. Other people. You’re doing. We feel like we have to keep up and we feel like this. This is these people are popular and these people are getting attention and these people are selling their work and we have to be like them and.
Christi –
Right.
Sage –
We have to. Figure out what that secret is so we have a lot of more subtle expectations that we put on ourselves because we’re comparative creatures. We’re competitive. In some fashion, I don’t think of myself as competitive, but we do compare.
Christi –
And it’s also a social paradigm, wouldn’t you say? Like in order not to be ostracized, which is built deep into our lizard brain, we have got to fit in. So they’re all doing that and I’m not. That means I’m gonna be left behind and starving death out in the wilderness. So you know, you have that sort of a biological imperative to kind of keep up with what you think everyone else is doing.
Sage –
Right, yeah. Right, yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. This is something that’s built into us from 10s of thousands of years of being social creatures because social media is so far. Reaching, we’ve gone from being concerned about our social status within our local community or our family. Rather small group of people and you can be the great artist and the person that’s admired for your art within a small group and feel good about it. But then you go online and you feel like look, all these people doing this crazy, wonderful stuff. I can’t do that. And you shouldn’t do that. First of all, so just I mean get out of your minds that what people are doing online is something that. You should be. Doing or that you should be doing as well as them or whatever, because honestly, I don’t even know what the percentage is. I’m not. Maybe the research is at some point how much of the stuff that you see online is actually doctored, like work is doctored, it is fixed. I’ve actually watched some art process videos or tik toks or whatever, and they. Between things I could see what they did and they took shortcuts, and they’re not showing. And they’re making people feel like they can’t do that kind of work. But these people are. So why, you know, they should be able to. And a lot of it’s fake to some extent. So we end up with all this pressure to do something isn’t even real. Yeah. So yes, I love this idea of going back and just practicing, like, kind of. How to be a child? Killed again? Yes, because all these these temporal things children never made. I don’t. Well, I guess nobody I knew. No child I knew, including myself, made things to sell them, you know. And I actually, as a child had opportunities to sell what I did, an opportunity to publish. I had an opportunity to sell my artwork. My crazy child artwork.
Christi –
Right.
Sage –
But I didn’t. Want to cause? I just wanted to. Do it, you know. And then I didn’t want someone to. Take it away. From me, I said they.
Christi –
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Christi –
Would steal it.
Sage –
And take it away because one thing did actually go off for a year and and tour with. Some art show. Or whatever, and I thought they stole my my stuffed Bunny that I. Made and I was.
Christi –
Ohh yeah.
Sage –
So sad, but as a child you make. It for yourself. Do it for yourself.
Christi –
Yeah, yeah.
Sage –
Amuse yourself like you said. And I don’t. Think we amuse ourselves specifically?
Christi –
Yeah, like, what do we do? Like you and I talk about this all the time. It’s like, what are you doing to amuse yourself? We both have all of these stacks of things we need to do and need to get down as the limit.
Sage –
To do, yeah.
Christi –
Because like what? Are we doing just for us, you know, and a lot of time your answer to me and my answer to you be like, well, I have. These things that I want to do, but I haven’t got the those yet. We should be on the.
Christi –
Right.
Christi –
Our front of knowing that we have to make time to just amuse ourselves, you know. But sometimes we don’t. That’s my goal for 2020. Or I want to try and amuse myself as much as possible. Share the amusement because I. Enjoy sharing the. Amusement and then hopefully somehow that will magically pay my bill. But I want to lose myself more and just follow the joy that’s going to be kind of my catch word for this year is just like, well, I have a lot. Of them. But Joy is one of them. You know. Just all the joy you know, just have fun. Be in the moment and all. Those all those things we know. But the joy part I. Really want to. Just do you enjoy? I have this picture in my head that’s probably complete without would be perception here, somebody as somebody is walking on the dirt. Every footprint that is left behind, you know, the flowers are growing and each one of those footprints like that’s what I want my my ear to be is that every footprint is just a profusion of flowers is coming out of every step. Yeah. So that’s my my mental thought, right?
Sage –
Yeah. Yeah. No, I I get that. And I wanted to kind of step half a step back then use yourself thing I. Think that should. Defined because you can be amused by things like.
Christi –
TV or? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sage –
Games or whatever, but I think that’s different than the creativity of user self. You can be passively amused by things that are fed to you, but then there’s the amuse yourself by things that you do, and it’s a very different feeling.
Christi –
Yes. Yeah.
Sage –
Yeah, like if you made a sandcastle, even if the a wave. Comes up and watches. It away, there’s a sense of accomplishment. That you get out. Of that, because you made it. Whereas if you watch someone make a really cool sandcastle, it might be fun to watch them, but you don’t get any of those feelings of of accomplishment that you do when you do it yourself. So if you’re going to amuse yourself, I think. You get the most benefits out of amusing yourself by creating something, and it could be amusing yourself very temporally, where you don’t have all those pressures and thoughts that you would have when you’re trying to make something to sustain your business or to get it a wider audience or whatever it is that you do with.
Christi –
Right, right, right. Artwork. I like that. That’s a great clarification.
Sage –
Yeah. Because I mean, I know a lot of specific listeners that have, I’ve I’ve talked to, do only do the artwork for themselves, which is fantastic, you know, and a lot of us don’t have that kind of, you know, freedom to just like, I’m just going to do this because I want to. Do this, it’s. Just for fun. Which is fantastic and I love that. You guys get to do that, and then there’s those of. Us who are like, oh, we’re trying make a living, you know? Or we personally need.
Christi –
Yeah, yeah.
Sage –
More out of. It and that’s something else I kind of discovered about myself this. There’s like, because I wasn’t monetizing the podcast. So anything that I was doing, I was like, OK, don’t think about monetizing because that. Takes a whole. Layer of work off your plate, right? And I realized that I have a hard time doing stuff if I don’t have an end game. And since I’ve had my own business of some sort for over 20 years.
Christi –
Right.
Sage –
That it’s hard for me not to go into that mode.
Christi –
So it’s like.
Sage –
I I have a my sister-in-law is an an actor and she put on a one woman play this past month and a lot of it was about people trying to crush her light right and afterwards some of the audience was commenting and one of. The actually the actually. The woman who was filming. It for her. Was like saying that she finally understood from what she was showing in this play that she herself never did things for her. Herself, she was always doing things for other people and that her creativity and stuff was always done in the service of other people. And and that’s very true for me and her next comment was like I need to be doing things just for myself, where it doesn’t have to do with other people because it’s one of the things that came up in this play. And I thought my God made me cry. I was like, that’s me. You know where whereas a lot of people, like, I’m just gonna make because I love doing it.
Christi –
A height of space.
Sage –
And it doesn’t. It doesn’t have to be for anybody else. And yeah, maybe I’ll sell it and that’ll be great. And I’ll be able to buy more art materials because. I’ll sell it. But I don’t generally do anything without feeling like it has to be in service of other people, and maybe partly because of the way I was brought up. But if you’re.
Christi –
Right.
Sage –
Doing something like these little dishes or the little, you know, the rock gardens that I’m going to do, you aren’t doing it for anybody else. You’re only doing it for yourself. And if you have a hard time. Doing things to just bring yourself joy and maybe I wonder if it’s part of our society. Or maybe it’s a more. American thing too, where? We feel like we need to be doing something. With an end result with right some kind of magnanimous. You know, sense of of what we’re doing is going to improve the world or improve life for other people. And maybe sometimes we need to just take care of ourselves and we don’t do it enough. And so temporal work with do that. You know, it’s me playing and doesn’t matter what anyone else.
Christi –
Right. Yeah. Yes.
Sage –
Is doing and in this past week over Christmas, Brett and I went to. Mountains. Yeah, and got a little cabin and we made a deal that we wouldn’t be online and we wouldn’t do anything except for art reading and writing. And that’s and play games and we play games, so we amuse ourselves, you know, by ourselves. Just the two of us and our dog. And in this, in this little town had nothing else going on. So it wasn’t like we could go out and entertain ourselves by skiing or kayaking or whatever. And that’s what we did. Everything that we did, there was no one else to be considered.
Christi –
Actually, again, yeah. Right. Right.
Sage –
And it was enlightening because it was hard. It was actually kind of hard. Wow. But maybe this is the thing. I don’t know if other people are bumping up against something they don’t know what it is about being able to let go with their. Artwork. Maybe that could. Be part of it for me, I think it’s part of it. And and maybe doing more temporal work will. Show me the benefits. I don’t know. That’s kind of been in the back of my mind as I was typing up the notes.
Christi –
To this? Well, you know, it’s interesting that. You say that and I I. Can really appreciate what you’re saying. I think part of the problem is we have an odd relationship in our culture with what we perceive to be selfishness and country. I’ve been kind of changing my viewpoint on quite substantially lately is that when you do things for yourself, to amuse yourself, to be true to yourself, to find your actual core. And get into harmony with your. Yourself that the ripples of you being honest to yourself affect everybody. So the motivation that we have to go take care of other people will also be accomplished almost more authentically by taking care of ourselves rather than such as stigma on doing things for yourself. So there’s nothing wrong with thinking of other people, but if you took it the other way around and you just had fun and you had joy and your joy was infectious and other people felt you free to follow their joy because you were following your joy and you weren’t taking away from anybody, but you were letting them be also free by example. The same thing gets accomplished, but you letting outwards instead of you trying to catch up and do for everybody else. So it’s like a change your perspective that you have to kind of get into alignment with in order to really understand that taking care of amusing yourself is actually benefiting everybody. It’s not. Selfish eye. But we are so caught up in. This everything has. Have another purpose, kind of like a a little tag that goes on it that says what the? Value of it is, you know and if the value is not enough that.
Sage –
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Christi –
We shouldn’t do. That thing, you know, it’s a weird thing to. Change our thinking about that I’m working on. It I still work in progress but.
Christi –
And that’s funny that you say that.
Sage –
As you’re saying that I’m like, you know, we’re I, you know, Brett and I played games like every night when we’re out there and we do it at home too. But I don’t know my value tag on that is that that’s going to help our relationship. Not like, let’s just do it for fun and.
Christi –
Then muses us.
Christi –
Both. Right, right. Why?
Christi –
Why did?
Sage –
Do I do that?
Christi –
It has that, that another purpose. Besides, it can’t just have the one thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Christi –
Right. I can’t just don’t have fun just for.
Sage –
The sake of having fun like. What’s wrong with me?
Christi –
Yeah, but that’s not anything wrong with you. This is insidious. It is pervasive in our entire culture, and that many people I think are talking about this. But pouring out of that mind that and I think that that’s kind of the interesting thing, know the difference between being rude and unthoughtful and being self aware and self-centered. In the in the way that allows other people to just enjoy you being yourself. Because if everybody was themselves perfectly, everything would just be fine. You know? In that sense, if you were, if you could be yourself authentically that almost everything else would sort itself out. But you know, but because we can’t. So we have all these other things that we have to do instead, you know, to get so complicated. But I wouldn’t get caught up in that, including.
Sage –
Yeah, yeah.
Christi –
Being able to have fun and being creative, you know, because they they, they seem selfish and.
Sage –
Yeah, yeah.
Christi –
They’re they’re not.
Sage –
We kind of learned not to take care of ourselves first. It’s funny because it reminds me of this thing I always tell the kids when they’re, you know, trying to take care of their own kids or whatever they’re doing, and they’re worrying about, you know, I’ve got to do this for that person. I say, OK, no. When you’re on a plane and they say if the masks drop down, put your mask on first before.
Christi –
Right, right.
Sage –
Helping others, that’s. That’s what we’re talking about. You got to take.
Speaker
That’s it.
Sage –
Care of yourself? Before you help other people. Now I say this all. The time but.
Christi –
It’s hard.
Sage –
But I don’t know that I do this very often or as often as I should really.
Christi –
To do it, yeah. Get out.
Sage –
So. So maybe that’s going to be our theme for the year is, yeah, taking care of ourselves and you know the. Joy, you know.
Christi –
Yeah, let the jewelry ripple out and everybody will still get your joy. But it starts with you. It’s not your joy you’re giving to other people. So joy, you give to you and let it let it do its thing by itself, you know, without you having to feel like you gotta micro manage it. I I I had an interesting experience that has nothing to do with anything. But for some reason. Thought of this?
Christi –
Let’s hear it.
Christi –
So just draw the analogies of whatever they may be, but I was I went down to the beach yesterday. Early was like 7 in the morning. I just felt like I wanted to go walk on the beach. So as I was crossing the street just before I was about to cross the street, a guy was jogging across the street from me. Like I’m walking out of my driveway to go across the street and he’s going on the sidewalk, you know, down the way. And he’s he’s jogging with a big black Labrador, right? And so they’re they’re jogging past. There’s some kind of big massive dog like that. And they get a few steps past me and all of a sudden that dog, like turns around and Yanks the guy and comes back to me. This dog just wanted to say hello, which is, I don’t know why I ohh. My gosh, the dog had to come back. So he’s like, like, it was my long lost pal. It was like the coolest interaction. So this dog comes over. It’s like, so excited to see me and the.
Sage –
Wait a minute. We were rude.
Christi –
Guys looking at me like what in the heck? There’s like me. Oh my God. Just likes you for some reason. It’s like maybe I knew him in another life, right. Anyway, passing thought we go on, but I just thought you know how, what a wonderful thing that this dog’s joy.
Christi –
Do you know this time?
Christi –
Was just so complete, so thoughtless. It’s just like I gotta go say hi to that person and it just made me smile the rest. Of the day. Just because that dog was happy, I got to share the joy and that was it. You know, it was just this tiny little interaction. Or nothing other than two people sharing random joy, you know, and I guess that doesn’t really have to do with creativity per say, but probably.
Christi –
No, but but the joy part of it, right?
Sage –
And we had friends over for new.
Christi –
Where are you now?
Sage –
Year’s Eve and we haven’t seen them in a while. And then ember. Our dog hasn’t seen them. I don’t even know how long, but she she knows them very well. And they came in.
Christi –
And she was just like, oh, my God, you’re like, my favoritest thing ever. And they were just. She was just so excited. Just like. And I was just looking at her. And we were just like her. Joy is so complete. If she doesn’t have to ask anything, she’s. Like I love you.
Sage –
So much you were the best thing ever, ever, ever. And that energy and emotion that she has. I’m like, Oh my gosh. And we temper ours a lot by like ohh is this the right thing we should be doing or is this, you know, how are people gonna see this or, you know, God doesn’t care? It’s like I don’t care if you think I’m.
Christi –
And in our heads, yeah.
Sage –
Crazy. You want a dog? You’re gonna you’re gonna take.
Christi –
This, and you’re gonna like.
Christi –
Yeah, and it’s a good thing to remember, right, just that unbridled ability to just to be in that moment to feel what we’re feeling and that’s it, you know, and I, I, I love that I want to make sure that that is as present in my creative life as any other parts of my life. But just like, oh, I’m just going to paint paper and I’m going to cut.
Sage –
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Christi –
Paper. And now I’m gonna make a. Dish with things. In it you. Know I just feel because I feel like doing it because I’m not gonna go. Ohh. That’s dumb. I’m gonna be. No, I want to. I’m gonna.
Sage –
Yeah, I feel like that’s you, you know, and maybe it’s honestly like you have done so many different types of artwork, you know? You’re not like, well, I’m. A polymer artist who makes necklaces cause you used to, you know, focal point beads and all that stuff. But that was your thing for a long time and I don’t.
Christi –
Yeah, yeah.
Sage –
Know the last time you made a necklace.
Christi –
Ohh decades. I don’t know how long. Yeah.
Sage –
You’re like, you’re like, I’m gonna paint this rock. I’m gonna do a mosaic on this on this little piece of towel. I’m. Going to make make a. Dish with things in it. You know you.
Christi –
Well, I do. Appreciate you say that cause yeah, I just want to follow the joy and in the creative like too, I don’t want to get stuck like, well, I’m just kind of artist. I guess I better do that again. I wanna just keep playing, you know drag people along with me whether.
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Christi –
They want to or not.
Sage –
Yeah, I actually just wrote an article about that for the International Polyclay Association. It wasn’t really supposed to be about that. It was supposed to be about other media’s role in polymer. Yeah. And I ended up talking about asking yourself what it’s supposed to be like. Oh, I’m a polymer artist there for my work has to all be always be pop. Because you identify most people with say, you’re polymer artist but.
Speaker
There are like.
Sage –
Periods of time where there’s nothing but beads and shells and bits and bobs and no polymer on on your work. You know it’s a policy at that most or whatever. And I don’t think we should corner ourselves by those labels and not to do whatever it is that does bring a story at that moment.
Christi –
Right. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. Absolutely. And I think that’s all come down from the fact that if you feel like you have to make a living at your art or you have to sell it or whatever it is, which many people feel like they have to, even though they don’t have to. Then there’s the common wisdom is that you should do one thing that’s identifiable as you, you know, not branch out, you know. So we kind of get stuck in that thing of, like, you know, I have to do this one thing. It’s like a screw that, you know, that that was a a small bit of advice in the limited circumstance first. Few amount of people. But somehow got extrapolated into the whole.
Sage –
Right.
Christi –
Of your art. Experience and I’m just like, man, follow the bliss baiting just. Do what is. Amusing to you play. Go for the experience. You know, if you have to do it because you need to make a livelihood at it and at least try to make it as enjoyable as you can. As experientially satisfying as you can.
Sage –
You can do. What you need to do for the end goal purpose of selling being in the gallery, right? Getting representation, whatever it is. That you need because. That’s really what we’re talking about. Like if you have to narrow down what you are doing and you have to try to stay under that label very specifically because your gallery representation. Want you to do that or the shows that you go to wants you to do that? That’s fine, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t do other things outside of it, you know, and then share it with your friends or share it on Instagram or find the markets that do want because there’s always market.
Christi –
Yeah, exactly. Right, yeah.
Christi –
I don’t believe there’s.
Sage –
Any kind of artwork that anyone does, that there’s no market for, because if you do it.
Christi –
Right. Right. Anybody else is absolutely, 100%. And even if you are the only person in the universe to like your weird buzzy spider balloon art or whatever you do, then just do it for you and put it in your room or in your bathroom, whatever. And look at it and be amused by it. And that is.
Sage –
And you like it. There’s someone else out there that likes that stuff, too. Yeah, so.
Christi –
All right, so it still.
Speaker
Right.
Sage –
Has a purpose and your market.
Christi –
You you exactly show right? Yeah.
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
Sage –
Yeah, exactly. So, in any case, we’re both gonna work on our little world things. Your little dishes, my rocka garden, and maybe we can get some photos up at some point with what we end up doing from them.
Christi –
Yes, we are. Yep.
Sage –
I know you were going to try to help people get those started by. Doing like little packages, right?
Christi –
Yeah, I. In fact, I was a little under the weather over the holiday. So one of the things I amused myself with is I just went through a lot of my sources and I started sourcing some things to make some little world. Yeah, everybody can do the role. They don’t need a kit from me, but a lot of people like those. So I thought, why the heck not? So I’ve got these assortment of things coming in and I envision a theme and I’m going to make a little creature that goes with these.
Sage –
Uh-huh. Yeah.
Christi –
Ones or like a?
Sage –
No, that’s awesome.
Christi –
Little different thing and then they can take the little creature and all the stuff and then create their own little world out of the little individual ingredient. So I’ll be having that, you know, and that’s something I think I’ll be ongoing where I’ll do 1 offs with something special and occasional kit because I think that’s gonna be a fun.
Sage –
Yeah, well, those can be great like starter kits if you’ve been in arts for a while, you probably have a bunch of bits and Bob, but you know you can.
Speaker
OK.
Sage –
Go to Christie freezen. Dot com I will put a link in the. Show notes or the description section. Of the podcast player that you’re. Listening to to find. That from her. So if you want to see what, see what she’s up to.
Christi –
Yeah, yeah.
Sage –
And then on Instagram and. Facebook I’ll post pictures of whatever.
Christi –
Right.
Sage –
We end up with, which isn’t going. To be by the time this podcast comes out? Probably. But.
Christi –
They’ll just tap their subscribe and keep up and see what’s going on and and follow. Because, yeah, going to definitely do that on some of my Facebook groups is just.
Sage –
Yeah, maybe we can make it an ongoing thing.
Christi –
Have a you know a little. Worlds Day, where we just get together, we gotta have a slide chat that day and talk about it and have some.
Christi –
Wanna be cool? That’s so cool. Yeah.
Christi –
Fun so.
Sage –
Yeah, yeah, I mean that does kind of give it. An end game? End goal, yeah. But if it gets you started in it, that’s fantastic. And if people want to share it, you know, totally send me pictures of anything like that, that you do that.
Christi –
That’s it, yeah.
Sage –
Would be cool.
Speaker
Because I just.
Christi –
That is the wet ****.
Sage –
I’m just falling in love with this idea of doing more temporal work just to access that. Child again to. Do things that feel kind of like more pure creativity that are unbounded by all the usual things that come into our artwork and as a form of meditation. And I think, you know, if regular meditation is hard for you, but you can get into just this kind of work that doesn’t have all the pressure on it, I think we all really benefit from it. Meditation.
Christi –
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Sage –
And that focus can help your artwork as well. So if you feel like you have to have. A reason to do?
Christi –
It that’s a good.
Sage –
Yeah, it does help your creativity.
Christi –
Reason because it is. Resenting that being in the now being in the moment. So it’s like it’s a goal, but also it gets you to like like go go. It’s good. You can.
Sage –
Like go goals and you know, yeah. And it’s just, I mean it’s good for our health, it’s good for our brain and it’s gonna be easier to access your own creativity and to get into flow if you’re doing it on a regular basis. So has all kinds of things in.
Christi –
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I love it.
Sage –
It so we look. Forward to. Doing that so we’ll see what happens. We’ll we’ll post stuff regularly.
Christi –
Me too, though I’ll keep in touch. With you personally and. See what’s going on, because I will definitely want to hear about what’s going with your play area.
Sage –
Yeah, yeah. And yours too. So and my, I know. I know. I’m so excited. I don’t even know what to put in there yet. I’m I think we’re gonna get end up going to thrift stores.
Christi –
Put the weirdest. Crap that you can that you feel excited about, do it.
Sage –
I know. Oh yeah, we already have a lot of weird crap.
Christi –
Yeah, I know, I know. I can’t wait to. See how it ends up in there.
Sage –
We’ll see what? Happens, but it’ll. Yeah, looking forward to that, I hope all the rest of you also are going to try something temporal. It doesn’t have to be little dishes or the little world. That can be whatever.
Christi –
It is it.
Sage –
Can be sand castles. It can be marshmallow castles, it can be.
Christi –
Chalk on the sidewalk. Yeah, whatever.
Sage –
So enjoy that. Try to go out and do more temporal work. See if that does help you get into flow state. It feels meditative and helps your creativity. And then yeah, just go out and feed that Muse feed your weirdness and you’re the.
Christi –
Be joyful.
Sage –
One who brought up that. Line that I.
Christi –
Yeah, that’s right. Feature, yeah. Featuring your weirdness. Ladies featuring weirdness? Absolutely.
Sage –
Use all the time now. True to your weirdness. Yeah. Yeah. And then join us next time on the. Sage Arts podcast.
